1. Anonymous July 8, 2008 @ 10:07 pm

    Where do the tables come from (is there a reference section)?

  2. Anonymous February 10, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

    Interesting, but I suspect a great deal of the success of the other countries in your list boils down to a culture of respect for its own people. Whereas, in America’s case, its class of parasites choose to despise its citizens and treat them as any aggressive, ultimately destructive, parasite would treat its host.

  3. Chris June 4, 2009 @ 4:26 am

    I am guessing that you do not have a job that is related to healthcare in any way. I work at a very large hospital and am directly responsible for buying disposable and non disposable instrumentation and supplies for surgery. I am using just these supplies that I purchase on a daily basis for the operating room as an exaple, not everything that is supplied to the hospital because I do not have that information. The company’s that make the instruments and implants that the hospital’s purchase and then charge the patient are so much money that it is hard to fathom. A 2 1/2 in titanium screw that is implanted into a broken back can cost from $500 to $2,500 dollars a piece, no joke. This one screw lives in complete instrument sets of which contain anywhere from 25 to 250 screws in each set. The hospital has thousands of these sets, hopefully now you can do the math with how much the hospital has in inventory of these thousands of implants and instruments. Keep in mind that this is just one example. My department has a monthly spending allowance of $300,000 in instruments and implants just for the O.R. region. There are so many companies, that have a lot of money, and charge outrageous amounts of money for their products that universal healthcare in the United States will never happen. I don’t know for a fact but I am sure that these global multi billion dollar medical supply and drug companies have many powerful lobbiests in Washington that will make sure that something such as socialized healthcare will never happen. At this point I just think that there are too many players involved in this complex web of healthcare in our country that this idea of a universal system is out of reach. I am confused on your statement about how there is no correlation with socialized medicine and medical innovation. The chart that you have given doesnt give me much information to prove your point. Also the government does give billions of dollars every year to hospitals for research grants, the hospital I work at actually gets 300 million a year for medical research. My question to you is how do you propose that the our government implements a universal healthcare system? With all of the money involved, from the companies that supply the hospital with supplies and drugs, the amount the hospital has to charge the patient just to break even, and the high costs of medical schools for doctors and malpractice insurance, how do you suppose this is achieved? Understand that this is a simplified web of how many people and companies are involved in our healthcar system, but I am just trying to show how many entities are involved in this. I have ranted for long enough, I will await your response. Also I would like to mention that the hospital I work for is non profit.

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    The map you have there is wrong. I live in Estonia and we’ve had free healtcare for as long as I remember. And as far as I know all other Eastern European countries have free healthcare, there may be a few exeption though, I’m not sure. Etc, etc.

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Universal Health Care: How Stupid Have They Figured Out We Are?

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Of course, the correct rhetorical question should be “How stupid do they think we are?” but, after checking the data, we need to face the music, people. We must be, as a nation, one of the most stupid groups of people on earth.

In other articles I discuss how we must take action to protect our inalienable right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Here I take into our right to life; a healthy one for that matter.
So where are we in the map of nations without Universal Health Care? We share a prominent place with most of the 3rd world. I say, this is real solidarity with those who have less, those countries can feel that a big and powerful brother is right by them.

So, of course, that says nothing. There is no correlation between Universal Health Care and Economy. What’s more, countries with Universal Health Care are so burdened by taxation that they cannot grow the way we do.

For instance, we all know that “Free” health care isn’t really free since we must pay for it with taxes; expenses for health care would have to be paid for with higher taxes, or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, etc.

The following table shows the measure of technological achievement (green countries with Universal Health Care, black countries without) by country

#1 Finland: 0.74

#2 United States: 0.73

#3 Sweden: 0.7

#4 Japan: 0.7

#5 Korea, South: 0.67

#6 Netherlands: 0.63

#7 United Kingdom: 0.61

#8 Canada: 0.59

#9 Australia: 0.59

#10 Norway: 0.58

#11 Germany: 0.58

#12 Ireland: 0.57

#13 New Zealand: 0.55

#14 Belgium: 0.55

#15 France: 0.54

#16 Austria: 0.54

#17 Israel: 0.51

#18 Spain: 0.48

#19 Czech Republic: 0.47

#20 Italy: 0.47

To be fair, I must add that the US leads the world in the number of health related patents. However, there is no correlation between Universal Health Care and medical innovation, as the proponents of the case against Universal Health Care suggest.

If you spend time studying the following table, you will see that the US has the largest number of health related patents overall, but many other countries with Universal Health Care have more patents in certain areas, like Medical Preparations, Prostheses, Media Devices, etc. So, the argument of Universal Health Care stifling creativity is either flat our wrong or a statistical lie.

Distribution of applications by technology, selected countries Percentage of country total (wted) Total (wted)
Country Medical preparations Surgery Prostheses etc. Media devices Others Country % grand
US 55.7% 15.0% 10.4% 10.4% 8.6% 26 313.85 27.01%
Japan 64.1% 13.4% 6.3% 5.6% 10.5% 4 620.33 4.74%
Germany 59.5% 12.4% 7.3% 8.4% 12.4% 3 075.02 3.16%
France 72.7% 8.6% 5.4% 5.3% 8.0% 2 467.09 2.53%
UK 65.7% 9.2% 7.4% 9.3% 8.4% 1 887.80 1.94%
Sweden 38.8% 11.5% 14.0% 16.3% 19.5% 1 218.38 1.25%
Canada 68.9% 7.4% 6.6% 7.3% 9.9% 720.31 0.74%
Switzerland 41.6% 15.9% 15.4% 11.8% 15.3% 675.55 0.69%
Italy 72.8% 6.4% 5.7% 7.4% 7.6% 673.62 0.69%
Netherlands 70.9% 8.7% 2.6% 6.8% 11.0% 551.79 0.57%
EU 63.6% 9.8% 7.3% 8.7% 10.6% 11 162.71 11.46%
OECD 58.7% 13.4% 9.1% 9.4% 9.4% 44 048.63 45.22%
Grand total 59.1% 13.0% 8.9% 9.3% 9.6% 97 415.06 100.00%
Source: OECD Database of Triadic Patent Family.  
From http://masetto.sourceoecd.org/vl=4326037/cl=18/nw=1/rpsv/cgi-bin/wppdf?file=5lgsjhvj7m25.pdfLichtenberg, F. and S. Virabhak (2002), “Using PatentsData to Map Technical Change in Health-Related Areas”,OECD Science, Technology and Industry Working Papers,2002/16, OECD Publishing.doi:10.1787/522485718871

So, maybe you can spend in education and be at the scientific forefront with Universal Health Care, but we know that Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness.

The following list shows Health Statistics For Total Expenditure as % of GDP

#1 United States: 15.4 % 2004

#2 Marshall Islands: 15.2 % 2004

#3 Kiribati: 13.7 % 2004

#4 Malawi: 12.9 % 2004

#5 Lebanon: 11.6 % 2004

#6 São Tomé and Príncipe: 11.5 % 2004

#7 Switzerland: 11.5 % 2004

#8 East Timor: 11.2 % 2004

#9 Germany: 10.6 % 2004

#10 France: 10.5 % 2004

#11 Austria: 10.28 % 2004

#12 Serbia and Montenegro: 10.1 % 2004

#13 Monaco: 9.9 % 2004

#14 Iceland: 9.9 % 2004

#15 Portugal: 9.8 % 2004

#16 Canada: 9.8 % 2004

#17 Jordan: 9.8 % 2004

#18 Palau: 9.7 % 2004

#19 Norway: 9.7 % 2004

#20 Belgium: 9.7 % 2004

What??? Private health is more expensive than public health? Well, yes. But I am sure that’s not the real issue. The real issue must be that Just because Americans are uninsured doesn’t mean they can’t receive health care; nonprofits and government-run hospitals provide services to those who don’t have insurance, and it is illegal to refuse emergency medical service because of a lack of insurance.

Consultation with doctors by country

#1 Japan: 14.4 per person per year

#2 United States: 8.9 per person per year

#3 Belgium: 7.9 per person per year

#4 France: 6.9 per person per year

#5 Austria: 6.7 per person per year

#6 Germany: 6.5 per person per year

#7 Canada: 6.3 per person per year

#8 Australia: 6.3 per person per year

#9 Denmark: 6.1 per person per year

#10 Italy: 6.1 per person per year

#11 Netherlands: 5.9 per person per year

#12 United Kingdom: 4.9 per person per year

#13 New Zealand: 4.4 per person per year

#14 Finland: 4.3 per person per year

#15 Sweden: 2.8 per person per year

(only 15 available)

Duration of hospitalization (most recent) by country

#1 Switzerland: 9.3 days

#2 Netherlands: 9 days

#3 France: 8.5 days

#4 Belgium: 8 days

#5 Canada: 7.2 days

#6 Italy: 7 days

#7 United Kingdom: 6.9 days

#8 Ireland: 6.4 days

#9 Austria: 6.3 days

#10 Australia: 6.1 days

#11 Norway: 6 days

#12 United States: 5.8 days

#13 Sweden: 5 days

#14 New Zealand: 4.9 days

#15 Finland: 4.4 days

#16 Denmark: 3.8 days

(only 16 available)

Ok, I admit it. I watched Michael Moore’s Sicko last night and I am suffering from an overdose of liberal bullshit. It must be that, because, who can deny that Government-mandated procedures will likely reduce doctor flexibility and lead to poor patient care.

Like for sure will show the statistical data of the Estimated number of years of life while healthy

#1 Japan: 73.6 years

#2 Switzerland: 72.8 years

#3 Sweden: 71.8 years

#4 Australia: 71.6 years

#5 France: 71.3 years

#6 Iceland: 71.1 years

#7 Austria: 71 years

#8 Italy: 71 years

#9 Spain: 70.9 years

#10 Norway: 70.8 years

#11 Luxembourg: 70.6 years

#12 Greece: 70.4 years

#13 New Zealand: 70.3 years

#14 Germany: 70.2 years

#15 Finland: 70.1 years

#16 Denmark: 70.1 years

#17 Canada: 69.9 years

#18 Netherlands: 69.9 years

#19 Belgium: 69.7 years

#20 United Kingdom: 69.6 years

#21 Ireland: 69 years

#22 United States: 67.6 years

I had to go down to 22 to find the US in this list.

If you think that we cannot afford it (which would suppose we are poorer than Brazil or Argentina) you should check out the real numbers starting here.

Finally, I guess I am missing the point, and the real problem is that you don’t want bureaucrats running your health care. For you, I have only one thing to say:

How do you dare insult our armed forces?

After all, our military are government employees. And our army is the most powerful in the world. Does anyone really think we should privatize the army?

But then again, when reading some of the horror stories of our health care system, you must wonder if it is not run by Blackwater contractors.

As a matter of fact, US bureaucrats have been able to put men on the moon, robots on mars, and bring us pictures of the deep cosmos. The promises of private enterprise to do anything remotely close to that are nothing but promises.

Do I blindly trust the government to run my health care? No! But I don’t trust it when they say that they should not run it, either. After all, the data shows we are spending more in health care than countries with Universal Health Care, but they told us that we were saving money. They lied to us, and they should be accountable for that.

After taking account of the lies that put millions in the pockets of a few at our expense, we should get them them to create and run a Universal Health Care system of the people, by the people, for the people.

Write to your representatives and ask them How stupid they think you are!Participate! Find an organization you can work with and act now!

Participate in the movement for universal health care in the United States like your life depends on it.


Franklin @ December 12, 2007

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